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Tech Talk / Re: Softail Crotch Coolers/Heat Sheilds
« Last post by Bassman on November 27, 2017, 10:37:49 AM »
With all the changes, I get about 50 mpg at 60 or 65 mph, not sure about before the changes.
As speed goes up after 65, the mileage goes down.
At 75 mph, mileage drops into the low to mid 40's I'm guessing.
In town it's in the low 40's.
I also have a race tuner and the Vance & Hines pipes (Big Shots), the package works well together.
I downloaded the race tuner program from Harley and remapped the ECM with my laptop.
Ride Safe,
Tech Talk / Softail Crotch Coolers/Heat Sheilds
« Last post by leon-bed on November 27, 2017, 04:46:14 AM »
Looks good. Got any data for us on mpg changes with/without the K&N and w/wo the heat shield? Im curious
Tech Talk / Re: Oil condensation an a couple other things
« Last post by charles on November 23, 2017, 01:54:10 PM »
  In the early 70's when service (gas) stations worked on vehicles ,sold an fixed tires,washed cars ,ect.... The station I worked at a while had a very good bubble balancer . And before you attempt to balance a tire you need to know, its not uncommon for a tire to have more than 1 heavy spot or a long heavy spot ,focus on the heaviest spot first, then the other, if any . AND REMEMBER water inside the tire even a few drops will cause balanceing problems ,use a rag to dampen the tire an wheel with water when mounting the tire ,dont use soap on aluminum wheels . Wipe the tread off if you rolled it on the floor before balanceing and all water off of the tire an wheel ,it all makes a difference . Tire makeing has came a long way so they say ,I still see people with broke belts thumping as they go by and tires still have to be balanced and at times rebalanced after they wear a while and some times the balanceing weights come off . There is a spacer between the 2 wheel bearings, and even if there wasnt, its important to have a STRAIGHT rod to balance with, any hump in the rod wont allow the tire to roll correctly while balanceing when the hump on the rod comes to the top side . You can use the narrow edge of a frameing square with the rod centered on, an roll the rod to check if its straight or use a aluminum frameing level surface or t-square ,it helps to have a light at the back side while checking . Hardware galvanized rod isnt straight . You might find a good piece of stainless steel rod that is straight . 18" long , is plenty long enough . I have cvo wheels and theres no flat ledge to put weights on at the spokes ,the spokes are a steep slope an the weights will just fly off,you could break down the tire an move the tire around the wheel a little and maybe get the heavy spot lined up with the slot/flat ledge to put weights on ,but how many times will it take breaking it down . The heavy spot on mine wasnt in the center of the spoke ,it took six -1/4 oz weights ,I put 2 weights at the heavy side of the spoke an 1 on the other side of the spoke on the valve side and the same amount of weight on the other side of the wheel lined up with each other . Appx. a forth of the way around the wheel from the weights I put on, I had another spot that took one -1/4 oz weight . I only had 1/4 weights, you need 1/8 also ,I found some small L .-1/4 weights a local tire shop ,you can cut the 1/4 for smaller weight ,but if you mess up the glue on the stick on part it will not stay on the wheel . I got a couple 1/2" inside diameter bearings from a starter an alternator rebuild shop ,washed out all the grease out an used wd40 an left the rubber seals off while I was useing them ,3 in 1 oil would work also . Rolling about 5 inches at a time an stop all the way around the tire,letting go of it without causeing it to roll, to see if the wheel would set still by its self ,if it trys to roll either direction ,hold the tire with a finger get a hold of the rod and turn the rod about a half turn an try it agin ,I had to keep checking if the rod was causeing it to roll or if the weight needed adjusted because the rod wasnt completely straight . I balanced my belt pulley also,it took one-1/4 oz weight ,I had to sand the rough texture paint smooth at the under side edge of the pulley where it was flat ,the weight wont stay stuck to the rough paint  and it was the pulley so I used super glue up onto the weight to help keep the weight there . They make duck tape several colors ,if you suspect your wheel weights may come off , and you can get the tape glue off .......I used masking tape to stick the weights on till I knew how much and had the tire balanced ,You have to wash the place your going to stick the wheel weight good with alcohol or , ........
Tech Talk / Re: Oil condensation an a couple other things
« Last post by charles on November 20, 2017, 01:48:55 PM »
  Make sure you clean the bearings surfaces good ,no anti seize ,dirt ,grease ect,,,,on the surfaces before you put the rod threw the bearings to balance .
Tech Talk / Re: Oil condensation an a couple other things
« Last post by charles on November 20, 2017, 01:28:32 PM »
  This may interest some of you guys , Most people know harley wheel bearings are too stiff/restrictive to use the axel and try to get any where near an accurate static balance of a tire an wheel . Many static balancers have bearing grease in the bearings ,you can have more accurate results if you wash out all the grease an use light weight oil ,wd40 ,3 in 1 oil out excess oil after rolling the bearing.Wash out an reoil each time if it layed around a while unused .WD40 will help keep the bearings from rusting . This guy uses a 1/2" rod with bearings to fit(make sure its straight ) SCUDMAN balanceing>( com/watch?v=8WHk  SPZJ3fI ) Remove the spaces from the link . The next guy gets even more detailed on harley rear (Marion Blair)>(   com/watch?v=vkO_LCE   dknU) With scudman's way all you need is a straight piece of 1/2"  rod ,2 bearings to fit the rod ,2 level surfaces(level the rod) with groves or another way of holding the bearings from moveing on the flat surface's . If you had 2 old wheel bearings that fit your bike ,you might remove the seals ,wash out all the grease, and oil ,and use your axel the same way(bearing on each side of the wheel makeing sure the belt adjuster cam, can turn all the way around freely on the rear wheel) as above .If you used the axel on the rear ,you could also put the belt pulley on and balance it with the wheel an tire and mark the pulley and bowl where you balanced them . You might want to get weights for motorcycles most are smaller and will fit the narrow flat ledge of the wheel with out hanging over the edge that helps them come off , an use tape to stick on the weights till you know what it takes to balance the wheel (Ive been looking for a combination of 1/4 & 1/8 weights) ,put half of the weight aligned evenly on each side of the wheel when you know the exact weight to balance the wheel, its important to clean with alcohol or, before sticking on the weights mashing them good an tight . Some put what ever color the wheel is masking tape over the weights to help keep them from comeing off . Your wheel bearings ,forks ,trans ,shocks an all wear faster from vibration........
Tech Talk / Re: Oil condensation an a couple other things
« Last post by charles on November 13, 2017, 01:45:11 PM »
 When you get a new tire ,usually most people dont inspect it that closely ,its a new tire ,right . From now on I will ,after removeing the new tire I just got ,because of the excessive vibration (dunlop D402 MU85 B16 SW/nww) . Inside the tire there was a slightly raised circle appx. 1 an a 1/4" diameter with a appx. 3/8" diameter slightly sunk in place in the center of the circle ,looked like a vulcanized repair section ,there was also a slightly raised hump/bulge(looked like a seam) going across the tread ,side to side inside the tire . At the tire bead on the side where the outside lip/edge of the wheel sets aginst the tire ,there was a seam going all the way around the tire bead on 1 side ,as if a tire skin had been put on the tire.There was a very small rubber void air bubble on the outside of the tire ,and I have pictures of all . Tires are suppose to be inspected for defects when there made ,defects removed and slight blimishes sold as blims at a lesser price . I paid for a new tire (stated new on website),not a blim or a defect that could get you hurt or killed . Dunlop is part of goodyear if you didnt know . If you have a little more material -seam,hump/bulge ,extra rubber,ect going across the tread  in 1 place inside the tire ,whats going to happen every time that spot comes around and reshapes as it slightly flattens aginst the hard top/road  ?  My old tire HAS NO places any where inside the tire its consistantly smooth and even all the way inside and did not vibrate . In an attempt to not get another bad D402 ,I ask to get a replacement with  the origional american elite HD (not with the 1,2,3,ect) MU85 B16 SW #32AE23  . Ive been into it with amazon ,powersport superstore and dunlop MC tires .its the blame game ,P.S.S.>we cant replace it with another tire amazon wont let us it has to be the same tire, its been 30 days we cant refund your money so you can reorder the the other tire(HAS IT IN STOCK FOR SALE ON THERE WEBSITE)  , I offered to pay ANY difference between the 2 tires . Amazon >It has to be replaced with the same tire . Dunlop MC tires > Was ask the same questions  > Im out of the 32AE23 ,I'll send you another D402 , ALL he had to do was pick up the phone an call anyone he supplies tires to, that had it in stock, and have it sent to me . SEE its the customer's fault they allowed an sent out ,and sold a defective tire ,they seem to think they will decide how your money is spent ,not you . Reguardless how you look at it ,any agreement we had , was broke when I received a defective product . P.S.S. received the tire this past thursday ,havent sent out a replacement yet ,after >We will get you 1 right out as soon as we receive the one from you . I've already told P.S.S. the tire will be inspected with UPS present ,any defects photoed ,an any defects it will not be accepted from UPS . I had my belt deflection set correctly ,after the try out ,the belt was looser from the vibration . The only reason Im telling you guys this ,is what you can get into ,and if you get a vibration it may not be your bike ,it could be a poorly made tire .  One reason I like the dunlop D402 is it has HEAVY SIDE WALLS that could possibly help from wrecking when getting a flat .
Tech Talk / Oil condensation an a couple other things
« Last post by charles on November 11, 2017, 02:27:00 PM »
  About 3 weeks ago after the DMV inspection (wrecked bike) an retitled ,I took about a 20 mile ride (try out) I noticed my dash makeing a noise from vibration I was feeling in the bike ,when I let off the gas the vibration was 3-4 times worse ,I had just put a new tire on the back of the bike dunlop D402 > I took the bike about a 3 mile ride before the new tire was put on ,there was no vibration . When I got back home from the try out there was oil all over the front saddle bag ,side cover ,exhaust pipe ,muffler and up on the seat ,from the air cleaner . The oil was yellow looking on the top of the cam chest but looked like regular oil every where else . This engine was built a couple years ago an the bike put together to run wheels and all with out fenders and ect... before I started with the paint nitemare . Its been started often 2 winters an summers ,this could happen over 1 winter and most likely does . I put the head breather up grade in that came with the gasket kit , I (suspect) the condensation had the head breathers pluged up AND the condensation washing off of the inside of the valve covers had the oil return holes  pluged up and had the inside of the valve cover flooded with oil ,obviously part of it was running down the push rod tubes and from heat ,hot oil and air pressure inside the motor the breathers finally unpluged and oil an all came out into the air cleaner . Some of the yellow inside of the air filter was as thick as gravy ,but by the next day had melted to liquid ,probably soaked up some clean oil . I called several places includeing harley no one knew what the yellow was  LOLOL only S&S knew . I keep my bike in a building thats not heated unless Im out there doing some thing ,everyone knows as the temperature lowers and raises the out side of the engine coats completely with water . Does all oil draw moisture ,dont know .. I had lucas 20-50 syn.MC.oil in this one obviously it does and turns yellow ,royal purple turns green .Dont know but a friend of mine said all the high dollar oils do this . NOW ,after starting often an heating up ,then a 20 mile maybe 25 ,there was still condensation inside the valve cover when I removed it an took the breathers apart to clean it all out ,yes you need to all the way to the air cleaner . Did it do the same in the cam chest cover or engine block my guess is yes at least in the cam cover . If you get any kind of discolor in your air cleaner its condensation even tan,brown or white . You might want to think about this when spring rolls around ,this can rust the parts inside of the engine and damage the bearings . I used (WITH THE INTAKE BRACKET BREATHER BOLT REMOVED YOU DONT WANT TO BLOW THE ROCKER PLATE O-RING) and the head breather apart ,I kept putting some WD 40 down in the head breather passage to the air cleaner let it soak a little then blow it out with the air hose several times ,just dont let the WD40 run down in the engine . You can take a regular bolt (SHORT FOR TIGHT PLACES OR LONG) an use the edge corner of a file an cut a V in the in the side of the bolt threads ,the depth of the threads at the end of the bolt an tapered off up the threads part of the way,works just like a tap to clean bolt hole threads make sure you start the bolt correctly to clean,an clean the V out each time a little air to get any loose out of the bottom of the bolt hole . I use the old aluminum (origional) breathers to put back the rubber umbrella valve is appx. 1/16" higher than the up grade breather ,I used the rubber umbrella's and filter material out of the up grade in the origional breathers . I got some gasket material felpro 3187  1/16" thick ,made a gasket for the bottom piece of the breather to the rocker plate with no gasket sealer ,I used permatex high tack 80062 on the breather lid with no gasket ,put a thin coat on EACH surface allow to dry 30 minutes then align correctly before contacting the 2 pieces ,dont mash together ,let the bolts do that ,high tack use to be used to put split VW engine blocks together with no gasket and they didnt leak . Theres very little clearence between the breathers and valve cover ,the valve cover wouldnt allow a 1/8" spacer and leave the filter material about 3/16" or so spaceing (below the bottom) of the rubber umbrella screen or it will ooze oil up threw the screen and on out to the air cleaner.One other thing it is possible with a high vol oil pump ,to get to much oil in the valve cover  .  Before I start this engine agin ,Im going to remove and drain the engine oil filter and put it back it hasnt been run any , and allow the oil pan to drain good also , and put a conventional (NON SYN) oil in, pennzoil GT 25-50   (they also make 20-50 both are detergent oils and claim high temperature) and run it some to rinse the syn out and clean out . I'll decide later what Im going to use in it ,there will be no more SYN I can tell you that ,ot seems to like water/moisture . I wonder how many have this problem and dont know it ,and maybe ruining there engine..........
Swap Meet / 2006 Road Glide for sale or trade
« Last post by Bassman on October 30, 2017, 02:47:03 PM »
2006 Road Glide with a bazillion miles, rebuilt engine assorted new parts - $5000 OBO sale or trade
Harley golf cart - $1000 OBO sale or trade.
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Events / BOTW MC - Kanawha Valley Chapter - Poker Run - 10/07/2017
« Last post by Bassman on September 26, 2017, 10:34:55 PM »
See Flier.
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